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After The Call: Kent Shelley

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We sit down with Alpha Responder and its founder, Kent Shelley, for a conversation centered around service, transition, and purpose. Drawing from his background in military police, Kent shares pieces of his journey and the experiences that shaped his mission to support others on similar paths.

This is a conversation about perspective, resilience, and finding meaning beyond the uniform.

SPEAKER_00

Welcome to After the Call, the podcast dedicated to the stories and struggles behind the badge, the turnout gear, and the uniform. Each week we'll bring you a powerful conversation with first responders, mental health professionals, and advocates who are breaking the stigma, sharing their journeys, and offering real solutions. We'll talk about PTSD resilience, family impact, and the resources that can make a difference. Because the job doesn't just leave scars on the body, it affects the mind, the heart, and the people who serve alongside it. And no one should have to carry that burden away. This is After the Call, where you'll find strength through resilience.

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Alright, weirdos. We're back on another episode of After the Call. I'm your host, Patrick. I got the big cheese.

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Veronica.

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Josh.

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T-Rex Arms.

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Josh.

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And today we got Ken. Before we get started, I did want to give a quick shout out to this week is telecommunication week. So we had some sponsors that donated for the gift baskets. So I wanted to give a shout out to Jamie from McCrumman's Bakery. We have McKenna and Richard from the TRT spot. And then we have Frank and Nicole. Who else am I missing? Oh, Anne Alma. She's a co-worker. All right. So hold on.

SPEAKER_04

Also, give the shout out to the dispatchers and everyone who works.

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Yeah, you know, the people who the week belongs to.

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Thanks.

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Well done.

SPEAKER_06

We obviously appreciate everybody that does the hard work. Um it's not an easy job. Um so yeah, you you guys are definitely the lifeline, I guess. Right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, 100%. I mean, they're they give us what we need on scene.

SPEAKER_06

I mean, they are the biggest pain in the ass, too, of course.

SPEAKER_02

I'm just gonna say throwing that out there, but you never work a shift where you like you get the wrong dispatcher for that day. And like it's just like so much harder. You good dispatcher. You have you have this unit going eight miles that way and this unit going two miles that way.

SPEAKER_06

It's like why don't we just Well then you're like, all right, I'm gonna be uh logging off soon. They're like, oh, let me dispatch it back to the TV. All right, am I forgetting anybody else? Uh no. All right. Can we can we start?

SPEAKER_04

We can also announce that we're giving baskets to um MCSO this week and Coolidge PD's dispatchers.

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Yes.

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All right, I'm done.

SPEAKER_06

The big cheese is done. All right, so we have Kent from Alpha Response Network.

SPEAKER_01

Um Alpha Responder Network. Same thing.

SPEAKER_06

No, I want to make sure I'm doing this the right thing. Uh like we will definitely not edit that out. I'm sorry. That's correct. We're not high quality like you. That's uh so uh we got connected through uh mutual friend James. Uh I thought it was really cool. Um and it's I've been watching your videos for a while, which is funny. And then as soon as he was like, Oh, have you talked to this guy? I'm like, No, I haven't. So it got us connected, which is cool. So now we got got you on here. Uh, we're gonna talk a little bit about maybe your history and stuff, and then kind of all the stuff you're doing with the uh network.

SPEAKER_01

So I love it.

SPEAKER_06

All right, so who's mine? Give us give us a little background.

SPEAKER_01

So uh let's see, man. I guess I'll I'll start back from the beginning. Um I was born in Cambridge, England, and uh my dad was in the Air Force, military, uh, the the American Air Force. He was stationed in England and met my mom over there, and of course I was conceived there. Uh moved to the States when I was about three years old, so I don't remember much of it, um, at least my upbringing. But every other summer when my dad got got out of the military, uh he then he retired from the military, uh, worked for Continental Airlines at the time. So every other summer we'd be flying back to England to go visit family. And my dad was a rancher. He uh grew up in Silver City, New Mexico. So uh I had this very interesting upbringing working on a ranch uh and then the next summer I'd be living this more proper posh lifestyle in England. Very, very weird. Um but I would say I'd I much preferred the the ranch lifestyle. It's uh it's uh it's a good um it it it held me up, it helped grow, uh make me grow a lot quicker. Um so at a very young age, I uh my dad had a little camera that I played with. So uh got uh got to play with cameras from a very young age and uh it kind of morphed into now what I do. Um and and uh I always knew, I remember very vividly, we lived in Houston, Texas at the time, and uh why my parents would allow me to watch Cops, the TV show, I have no idea. But I remember eight years old watching cops and just being mesmerized by it. And I knew at a very young age I'd I was either gonna be in law enforcement or I was gonna be filming with cops. Because again, by this time I had already been using cameras, and uh so fast forward, um I started a production company, man, probably in high school, and uh um, you know, just doing little gigs here and there, weddings and all those starter jobs, and then uh got connected with uh the fast forward later. Well, then I created this business, it became pretty successful, and I was like, hey guys, I'm gonna leave for a little bit. I'm gonna get some military training because I wanted to be a uh police officer. But I decided to go the military route first, become become an MP, get some, you know. I always from what I understood, your your chances of getting hired on were greater if you were to have a little bit of military experience. Sure. Yeah. So I joined the army, um, went to Fort Leonardwood for basic, uh, got my uh got my my training as an MP, did six years of that, and then uh uh tried to get hired on with DPS, got all the way through, and they basically said, hey, but uh uh hey Kent, we we've gone with a different candidate this time. So I was like, oh man, that sucks. And that was the last time I tried. Uh it kind of put a uh a damper in what I was trying to do. So the next thing I knew, and and I'm not one of those guys, I am persistent, but uh a friend of mine, he was high up in DPS. He's like, hey Kent, just keep trying over and over and over. That's what they want to see. They want to see that you really want it. And at this time, I was already back in film production, it was making really good money. So I was like, I was just like, nah, I don't know, man. Um you made the right decision. Uh we see him become a firefighter. So uh uh yeah, I just kind of tabled that and um and went after my uh production business. Uh and uh fast forward another few years, uh met Mark Lamb, Sheriff Mark Lamb, now retired, um through our mutual friend James. And uh Mark came to us saying uh asking, hey, do you guys want to at the time he had another crew filming his uh his show, American Sheriff Network. And um it was super expensive. I think he was paying like sixty thousand a month or something for for production, which is kind of on the cheaper end, believe it or not.

SPEAKER_06

I mean that's our budget here, so it's about overpaying.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. Just just outrageous numbers. So we stepped in saying, hey man, we could we could do that for half half the cost, and we're a local crew, we can do this. So that's how the conversation started. We ended up um tabling that idea. He reached out to me, Mark Lamb, and said, Hey, uh Turning Point USA just just contacted me. They want to film a documentary about the border. I'm gonna be the main protagonist, and uh we're gonna go to different agencies across the country and and film. Are you interested? I was like, fuck yeah, I'm interested. So we met uh we went down to Turning Point um in Phoenix, met Charlie Kirk and um uh dude, I I uh I want to talk about Charlie real quick because I don't I don't get to share this often, but Charlie hadn't even seen any of our previous work before. He just we were just some camera crew. Um of course he had heard good things about us. My company my business is called Cine48, my production business. Um we just had a conversation probably for an hour or so uh with him and his uh CMO and all these other people, and they gave us a chance, which is crazy not to to not see our work previously. Um Charlie was yeah, he was uh he's responsible for a lot of this. I mean, obviously Sheriff Mark Lamb, too, you know, he he gave us a chance, but um that kind of set the uh the momentum um for for where I'm at now. So long story short, we go out for a year, we filmed this documentary with Sheriff Mark Lamb, Tom Homan. We were we were all over the place. Um saw the craziest shit ever. Um spent a lot of time in Texas with their uh Texas DPS, their aviation unit, constantly in in helicopters flying around the border, and just saw some of the craziest stuff. Um a lot of these a lot of these guys pushing the drugs up, we would land literally and just apprehend them. And I've got pictures of me in the helicopter with Tom Home and and in between us is just what they call uh um uh lo uh loads, but they were basically packaged uh giant sacks of what they called polys. There could have been fentanyl, could have been there could have been weed in there and all sorts of stuff, whatever they were pushing through. Um so yeah, long story short, did that for two to three years, then it kind of segued way uh doing some contract work for Newsmax where we were still filming on the border. My my production kit company be kind of became the uh go-to for tactical run and gun style documentary filming, which was super cool. That's that was my dream.

SPEAKER_02

Did you grow into that through the opportunity, or were you like equipped for that style beforehand?

SPEAKER_01

I was in the military, so I I kind of already had that that mindset, um, but we weren't necessarily equipped with that as as far as the gear goes.

SPEAKER_06

It kind of morphed into that with I was just gonna say, like walking around with these bigger And we did, dude.

SPEAKER_01

We did. We these cameras that we had are cinematic, so they're cinema cameras, so shoulder mounted, and we are I mean, if there was a pursuit of any sort through the desert, I was running my ass through these insane It was insane, it was absolutely insane. Um but just beautiful shots though, just beautiful shots.

SPEAKER_06

Um so how how much are they are you able to say like how much these cameras cost? Because I'm sure there was brownouts and stuff like that from all the helicopter you know landing in the desert. So I'm sure that probably did not work well with your equipment. No, it did not.

SPEAKER_01

In fact, you're you're that's uh that's a touchy subject nerve there. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I actually ended my contracts uh early with Newsmax because of our gear always getting just screwed up, um constantly having to send gear in to get fixed, and they were not picking up the bill. So I had to end that.

SPEAKER_06

So who's would are they not responsible for that? Or does that have to be in the contract?

SPEAKER_01

It had to be in the contract, and unfortunately it was not in the contract. So kind of screwed ourselves. But um, yeah, our our day our equipment got damaged all the time. Wow. And the camera that I was using is a black magic G2. Um, it's uh I've got like 40,000 into it, which is kind of the cheaper end for a cinematic camera, believe it or not. But it's perfect for the stuff we were doing to for to capture that cinematic uh that look. Um but yeah, so did this for a several amount of years. Um we wrapped that documentary up. It's called Border Battle. Um you can find it on pretty much most streaming platforms. Um I came home, I was working with Sheriff Mark Lamb at his home. He was at the time he was running for Senate, or is that what he's running for now? That's what he's running for now. Yeah, okay, so Congress. He's running for Congress. I was at his house filming some stuff that he needed filmed, and uh we wrapped up and uh he's like, hey Kent, what are you doing now since the project's over? And I was like, shit, dude, I'm back to just filming corporate bullshit that you know makes money, makes really good money, but it's not fun. It's not the adrenaline I felt when I was running around with law enforcement, you know, Border Patrol and all these guys. Uh oh. Just seen all the crazy shit, right? It just it it uh it woke up this kind of this childhood memory of mine when when I was watching cops and just knew that I wanted to be doing this stuff, right? So uh Mark was basically like, dude, why don't you go out with my deputies? Why don't you start your own YouTube channel, go out with my deputies, and uh it's all yours. Why don't you do that? That's awesome. I was like, holy shit, you let me do that? He's like, Yeah, man. So that's how it started, dude. And I and I, it's like a a light bulb went off. I I knew instantly that's what I was gonna do. So um fast forward now, we are uh next month, actually. Next month we hit two years of when we started the channel. Um we're about to approach 140,000 subscribers, which I'm told is is pretty good for a two-year span. I don't know. I was never the only time I use YouTube was for DIY stuff. I was never a YouTuber, so it's still kind of new to me. In fact, I don't, I still don't to this day. I don't look at the analytics, I don't do any of that stuff. Um I hire, I've got a team of six who do all the social media stuff, all the editing. Um I just like to be boots on the ground just out filming. That's that's my thing, that's all I know. Um, and then of course I like to get a paycheck every once in a while. But those are those are good. Those are important, those are important. Um but yeah, that's kind of how it all started. Um and and I can truly say that I am living my my dream, my childhood, the dream that I had from a childhood, uh, from my childhood. It's brilliant. It's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Um well let's let's backtrack just a little bit. So obviously MP in the army, right? Um how was that training for you?

SPEAKER_05

Like Chinese.

SPEAKER_06

Is it is it I don't know what it compares to like on a normal, like compared to like normal law enforcement.

SPEAKER_01

Like a civilian side. Yeah. Um I guess I don't either. I don't know what the civilian side is.

SPEAKER_06

What kind of what kind of training did you go through? Um I mean, it was army. I mean, come on. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01

It it's not in depth as what you guys went through, you know. Uh AIT, I think was only three months. Maybe a little less than that. I can't remember. It's been so long now. But um, yeah, I just your standard stuff, how to everything from uh how to apprehend people, uh clearing rooms, uh how to how to talk to people.

SPEAKER_06

Um I mean are you guys getting like DUI training? Yes, yes. We're also getting DUI training.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I wouldn't say it's in depth like this is how you do FSTs. We're it's more of they kind of breeze over it. And I I feel like that's they once you get to your unit, that's when you're gonna get most of your training. Which and which is what happened once I got to my unit, that's where they went more into depth. But uh I wouldn't say it's anywhere near what you guys go go to um go through. Um it's kind of cheesy, if I'm being honest.

SPEAKER_06

I mean it's some of our training is cheesy too.

SPEAKER_01

Uh I'm not gonna lie. There was a lot of uh a lot of days when nothing was going on, and uh what do they call that? Uh hip hip hip pocket training where they would just say, hey, let's uh let's let's practice how to do this. Um I I felt like I wasted a lot of my time in the military. Um d and I could go into that too, but don't want to offend anyone, but I I I essentially the six years that I was in kind of felt like I did nothing.

SPEAKER_06

Uh where were you stationed at?

SPEAKER_01

Um I was I was in the guard, so I was actually out here.

SPEAKER_06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

But um in sunny slope area. Um but I did a lot of trainings on the border. So the cool thing about what I got to do, I guess it had to do with my ASVAB score and and also my PT training scores. Um I was able to get into the the UAS program. So I was flying drones on the border, um, working with BP and stuff like that, looking for bodies crossing. And uh so I really enjoyed that part. That was that was the most fun I had. And I think I only did that for the last two years before I was about to re-up. And then it got to the point where like, hey, are you gonna re-up? And I was like, uh I don't think so. I was actually losing a lot of money um towards the later end of being in the guard. Um because for those weekends or what they call uh um what's the what's the month training called? When you leave for a few for a month.

SPEAKER_06

I don't know, I was active duty, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Uh anyways. Every um every year you leave, is it every year or every two years? Anyways, you you leave for an entire month and you you're training. Um I don't know why that is skipping my memory right now, but um yeah. I realized towards the l later end of my military uh service that I was losing a ton of money. Um because I was drills drills would be on the weekends, which for me is prime time to film. Um so I I didn't end up re-upping my my contract. So I got out and uh yeah, the rest is history.

SPEAKER_06

Alright. So then I guess we'll kind of leave that because I was gonna ask questions like if if you had like on base or whatever, if you had to go to like TV type calls, what what that kind of seemed like on base. Because it's a little bit different than obviously civilian civilian world. Um and I don't even know it's a lot different how like the I guess charging standard would be. Because I know if you you get in trouble like off base, you're getting boned, right? You're gonna you're gonna deal with the civilian side plus you're gonna deal with the military side. That's right. So I don't know like how it would work. You know, yeah. That's a great question.

SPEAKER_01

Um I didn't personally uh do any kind of policing on a military base. We went to military bases and trained with those guys, but never went out on patrol.

SPEAKER_06

They were always dicks too.

SPEAKER_01

That's what I hear. That's what I hear. Um so yeah, I didn't I didn't get any experience doing that kind of stuff. Um but uh obviously what I'm filming now, we go to a lot of DVs.

SPEAKER_06

I like it. So let's let's dive into that then. Yeah. So obviously you did uh the border stuff down in Texas and stuff. What was what was I guess some of the better places that you got to go down there to to get your quality filming?

SPEAKER_01

Filming. Oh man.

SPEAKER_06

There's a lot of your money shots, I would say.

SPEAKER_01

Yay. Uh El Paso was a huge, huge uh area of a lot of crossings. Um McCallan, Texas. There was Eagle Pass. Eagle Pass is a hot spot. Holy shit. Tons of activity was going down over there. Um Yeah, those are the three areas that stand out the most right now. Um but yeah, I was there for In Eagle Pass, when this is a couple years ago when uh they were starting to put the uh con I can never say that word, Constant Constantine wire. Yeah. And they were putting along the banks there at the uh at the uh uh Verde Verde River. Um and of course there dude there were just hundreds of people just trying to get in. And of course you had the guard there, then you had uh Texas DPS there and and whatever other agencies were there. Um it was insane, absolutely insane. And the sad part is you had a lot of people out there with uh with kids, like babies, and it was hot as shit out there, hot as fuck. And it it just it made it I'll be honest, it it it made me sad, you know, but at the same time, it's like dude, there's there's definitely a legal way to do this.

SPEAKER_06

Sure. I mean you know but that's I mean a lot of these folks feel that there is no other way. Right, right. Which is which is sad, you know. I mean, you're bringing your kid across rushing water, I mean kids drown all the time. I mean, we're all all kinds of shitty things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Not including um, you know, the coyotes taking advantage of people, plus now you got all kinds of sh crazy shit.

SPEAKER_01

That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah, it was wild, it was uh it was an eye-opening experience for me for sure. Um growing up I've been in Arizona since 95. I call Arizona home and uh did not until I started this project with Mark Lamb, did not know had no idea the magnitude of of the issue that was going on.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You know, I I heard about it in the news, obviously, but once you're in it, you're like, oh shit, this is completely different of what the media is telling you, you know. Um but yeah, uh it was wild, man. It was wild.

SPEAKER_06

I did my first ride along with Pedell. Um, and I remember the deputy I rode with didn't even have a DXT or a computer in his car. So everything was like he he would hear a call come on the radio and he'd record it on his little recorder and then play back, find the address on his map, and drive out. But he uh he took us down to like Little Mexico and stuff like that, and I was just like, this is totally different than what you see like in Queek, because that at the time it was Queen Creek and then it turned into Santana Valley and stuff like that. And I was just like, this is fucking nuts, dude. Yeah, like he had no idea. All the stuff that was running down there, yeah. Yeah, people ran everywhere. Oh yeah. It was like fucking turn on light and cockroaches go over to the city.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah, dude. There I've I've uh my time with with Penau County, especially uh filming this documentary. Seemed like every other car that we pulled over there on the uh I-10, same thing. You get uh vehicles with with bodies in them, and they just jump out. Some would go across the freeway, some would go into the desert. Uh got a lot of that kind of footage. We got to the point where it was just like, all right, we we don't need any more of this footage. This is boring now. Yeah, yeah, it really was.

SPEAKER_06

So are you are you still currently doing this with Panel? Oh yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Good for you. Yep. In fact, I uh just spent two days, Friday and Saturday night, filming uh the Country Thunder event. Um so I was out with their deputies just patrolling and just filming all the madness that goes on at Country Thunder.

SPEAKER_06

That's wild. It's wild out there.

SPEAKER_01

It is. It is absolutely wild.

SPEAKER_06

Do you get to pick who you ride with or do they just assign you somebody?

SPEAKER_01

This year was different. I didn't I I did the previous year, I got to choose who I was with. Um this year it seemed like the PIO just kind of said, hey, just show up and choose who you want to go with. I was like, okay. So I went with a deputy with Penau County. Um, I can't, her name was Julie. I can't remember her last name, but uh and then a an officer, they were paired together from uh Superior PD, Josh. Super, super good people. Um and I felt bad for him. I was like, guys, uh I know it's never comfortable having a camera with you guys. Uh because I certainly, if I was in your position, I would say no to cameras 100%.

SPEAKER_04

Right along period is never fun. Oh yeah, I believe it.

SPEAKER_01

I believe it. You gotta be on your best behavior. Yeah. Well, I there are times where I will reach out to my team or or some of my really good friends that I've made over the years doing this, and I'm like, dude, some days I just want to quit because I feel like having a camera, your guy's job is already way difficult. But having the added stress of having a camera capture everything that you're saying and doing is gotta be just added stress.

SPEAKER_02

But we're we're trained anymore, man, to just always assume we're on camera, though. You know what I mean? As first responders, like everybody's got a camera immediately available, you know, and we're kind of just trained to be that's like when axons first came out.

SPEAKER_06

I mean, that was fucking weird. Yeah. Yeah, I bet. Because you're like, I'm I'm never gonna be able to talk the way I want to talk or whatever, and then it was the fear of like, is it gonna be running the whole time? And how am I gonna use restroom? Like, you know, all that stupid bullshit. Right, right. But that's not that bad. If anything, like you you quickly realize the benefit of having it because of everybody having a cell phone now and only showing what they want to show and not showing the the total footage of whatever. Like it's nice having like the backing of having everything.

SPEAKER_01

I I a hundred percent I hear that from everyone I talk to. They're like, dude, we're already being filmed, we're filming it on our our own uh body-worn cameras. There's no added stress, and it makes me feel better. And then there's the other part where you know some of these deputies that we ride with often, they're and that's kind of what we're doing with the show. We're trying to build characters, right? Um, there's one deputy that is one of my closest friends now. He's up in Navajo County, Cooper Stubblefield. And uh he's he's kind of kind of become famous up in uh the Pine Top Sholow area. He's now he'll pull over someone or he's at a bar with his wife, and people are buying him drinks and asking him for autographs I'm like, dude, I apologize. I'm not I'm not trying to you know trying to put this on you, but stop being so damn good at your job at the same time. Yeah, just kidding. But uh I I I do feel bad that you know we are uh essentially creating this fame, um, but it's because they're so good at their job and people love these people. Um you should see the comments I read, and of course we have the trolls out there, um, but I would say 90% of the comments that we see, whether that's on YouTube or Instagram or whatever, um, they're all positive. And they're always rooting for a lot of these same deputies that we ride with, which has been great. So that that makes me feel good. Makes me feel like you know we're we're changing the the the uh uh the public's eye on law enforcement.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I mean you do the whole like uh Fridays with Frank now. So everybody like looks for Frank and sees him at you know quick trip or whatever, like hey, let's take a picture, whatever. Yes. I'm sure you know when he pulls like normal people over, they're always like looking for the cameras now. They're like, hey, am I gonna be on TV? Whatever. Um you guys aren't even there. But it makes sense. Who's who's your who are your top guys you like writing with?

SPEAKER_01

Oh man.

SPEAKER_06

Well you mentioned Frank already. I gotta put you on the spot.

SPEAKER_01

You mentioned Frank already. Uh I love writing with Frank. Uh and I want to be careful writing with Frank as much as we do, because I want to show that the show, what we've created isn't just Frank, right? Um we want to show, we want to put the spotlight on other deputies. And of course they can't not all deputies have or are even allowed to talk like Frank does. Frank is an anomaly. He he has been granted that that uh that approach. Uh I shouldn't say.

SPEAKER_02

The creative license. Yes, exactly. The creative license.

SPEAKER_06

I don't even think he's doing anything like out of the norm.

SPEAKER_01

I've talked to a lot of deputies in the state, and they're like, dude, our agency would never allow us to talk like that. And and I agree with you.

SPEAKER_06

Um he's like, driver's license, motherfucker. He's he's like he's just telling her how it is.

SPEAKER_01

Right, 100%. And for whatever reason, uh that ruffles a lot of feathers, uh, just the way he speaks. I I will admit, when I first came across Frank's videos years and years ago, I was like, oh, this guy's kind of condescending, you know, uh kind of a jerk. But um I rode with him, geez, a year and a half ago, and uh man, we became real close real fast. He's just just a solid dude, one of the coolest guys you'll ever meet. Um so yeah, I love Frank. Um get to hang out with him a lot. Uh Cooper Stubblefield with Navajo County Sheriff's Office. Uh God, there's so many, man. Uh every agency has their uh their their star guys, but even there's so many. La Paz County.

SPEAKER_06

Are you typically with just sheriff's offices? We are right now. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

We are right now. Um only because we started with with Penau County SO. Um, we find it much easier getting in with the SOs than we do with with PD. Um because with PD, we have to deal with the city council. So the Chiefs are always, in fact, I just met with uh Chief Mike Pooley with Apache Junction PD. Super, super awesome guy, if you haven't met him. Um he uh he's all on board, and we've met that we've we've met people like him all the time. Um good friends with uh Chief Matt Thomas. He wants us. It's always the city council who are pushing back on cameras coming in.

SPEAKER_02

Well, because all they need is one thing to happen, right? You know, and their city is looked bad upon, you know.

SPEAKER_06

Well, they're usually anti-cops anyways. Yeah. Yes, totally.

SPEAKER_01

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_06

And I it's whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

We're we're making headway, uh, especially with Apache Junction, Florence as well. We've been real close with Glendale. There's there's several uh departments who want us. Um it's just I think also we're still young. You know, our channel's still young, although you know, we're about to hit 140,000, but we are technically still um a younger channel. So I think once we build up that credibility and show what we're doing. Oh yeah. Um Patrick, I think you said you weren't oh no, you were fire fire with uh Gila River. So we're about we're talking to their PIO right now about getting in with Hilo River.

SPEAKER_02

Oh cool, hell yeah, man. Um you'll have a good time out there. Yeah, in the river. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01

And and from what I understand, just talking to the PIO, that that alone, because we're also talking with Salt River PD, now you're dealing with dealing with the tribe, the tribal council, uh, and that's that's been uh interesting to work out.

SPEAKER_02

It's a high school diploma government.

SPEAKER_01

It's totally different laws, too.

SPEAKER_06

Wild stuff out on the reservation.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. So um yeah, I that's that's why we work so much with SOs, is they're they're just so welcoming. The sheriff is always the one who says, you know, has the final approval. Um but uh it it's it's gonna happen working with PD. Um Mark Lamb actually he told me, dude, you'll never get in with Coconino Sheriff's Office or DPS. I actually just wrote with DPS uh a couple weeks ago, had the most fun. We were in uh District 19, which is the Metro Phoenix area, their night watch, it was a it was a detail that they were doing, and uh and uh I had never seen so much action in a span of 30 minutes. Like it was just back to back-to-back calls, just the craziest shit. And I always thought, you know, DPS were just sitting on the highways, not these guys. These guys are District 19 specifically, the Night Watch guys. Those guys are going out and looking for the bad guys. That's all they do, and they're not just sitting on the highways. They're they worked that whole area. Um, and it was wild. I mean, I I knew that we had a lot of issues in that area, uh, but it just blew my mind away. There, cars, at least 50 cars were lined up. There were prostitutes on either side just lined up. I mean, it is crazy down there. Absolutely crazy. I'd never I mean, why would I be down that way that time of day? But uh why would you? We need to look at the positives. Um, yeah, it was it was just mind-blowing as uh you know the shit that's going down there. But um yeah, so DPS. Oh, that's what I was saying. So Mark was like, dude, good luck getting getting with Cocanino because Cocanino had never had a camera crew in. Ever. We were the first to to go in there. Um take that, Sheriff Land. Right. Yeah, actually remember that time. I actually called Mark. I was like, dude, you'll never guess what. He's like, no way. Um so uh that was that was kind of not to toot my own horn here, but that was kind of a uh uh a cool moment for me to to say that we were the first camera crew to go into Coconino. Yeah, dude. Um DPS, they hadn't had cameras with them in years and years. Um live PD was the last, and that was at least eight years ago. Um so that was a cool moment for me. Um who else? There was another county. Um anyways, we we've hit these these milestones. Oh, we're working with uh Maricopa County right now, talking to Chris Headstrom. Headstrom? Headstrom. Um we're we're getting real close to getting in with Maricopa County, so that'll and and they haven't had cameras in since the Arpayo days. So that would be cool. Yes, they had a lot of problems. Yeah. So um we're working that angle. We're we're starting, we just got back from Alabama uh filming out there with the Otaga County Sheriff's Office. Dude, that is the wild, wild west out there.

SPEAKER_06

Like it is even more so than 100%, man.

SPEAKER_01

100%. Just even the policing styles is different, you know. The uh just the way they talk to the public, and it's it's crazy. Um lot of stuff, I mean you may see this stuff in Phoenix, but out there, even with county in the rural areas, you got these young dudes driving around dirty, and you know, they're hiding the the the Glock with the 30 round mag, you know. Uh it's just crazy. It's crazy out there. We're actually getting getting ready to release our first Alabama episode uh next week, so I'm excited for that. But uh yeah, we're starting to uh we have this contact form on our website where any agency can reach out and say, hey, we'd love for you guys to come out. And yeah, we've been we've been getting quite a few agencies reaching out.

SPEAKER_06

Nice. Good for you. So I don't I don't I think that's great. I mean, um the public needs to see how policing is, right? Everybody's got their idea of what it is because of these, you know, YouTube sensations or whatever. I I wouldn't even say that, but you know, they they have like their you know 30-second clip of whatever, and then it just paints the profession to be bad, and it's yes, that's not how it is. That's right.

SPEAKER_04

Uh do you ever see like uh I I presume you guys are going on the calls for service and capturing those things. Um what is it like when for your crew um to see first responders after uh like a heavy call or something? Do you see that that that side of it as well?

SPEAKER_01

Do you do, yeah, we I do. Um just uh about a month ago we were up in Navajo County and uh it was a suicide um call. And uh yeah, that that uh and I've been to many, I've seen a lot of deaths since I've been doing this, but for whatever reason, this one hit home. Um yeah, that one affected me a little bit. I won't lie. Um there's some things that I've seen that have affected me. Um I was in uh um geez, what's the what's the uh what's the county above La La Paz County? Jeez. I haven't had my coffee yet, guys. Sorry. Um uh Mojave County, sorry. So I was in Mojave County um a couple months ago where um this guy he was an older gentleman, but he basically died right in front of us and uh uh in his home. And it's stuff like that, man. I and his family was all there crying. And of course I'm not filming this stuff, you know. It if if anything that we're called to involves children or even death sometimes, especially in someone's home, I always feel weird about filming. I I just don't and it sucks to have that because the deputy's like, dude, you can film it, it's all it's all good, but there's that human side. I if I was going through a traumatic experience, I wouldn't want these this camera, this dude with the camera to pull up and start filming me in my on my worst day, you know. So I I get it, but at the same time, I I want to show the public what first responders deal with on a daily basis. Like that is important to me. Yeah, that paints the picture of why first responders uh are the way they are, you know, they're they're built differently, they they see the most trap traumatic experiences than anyone else does in the public. Um, and there's it's important for me to show that, um, but some of the stuff I don't want to show. You know, I don't feel comfortable showing it. So um to answer your question, yes, it does affect me. Um I've called my wife several times after seeing something pretty crazy, and I'm just like, babe, I love you. Like this this shit is is it's uh taking its toll on me.

SPEAKER_02

So with your with your experience working alongside first responders and police officers, but not you know being the one to deal with it just kind of third party being in the background, what would your advice be to first responders? Like what what do you feel like you've been able to see from a third party perspective that we can't see for ourselves when it comes to the difficulties of the job or the trauma or how we process or yeah, like do they after what are we doing wrong?

SPEAKER_04

Are they do you hear any discussion or are they just typical put it away and on to the next man?

SPEAKER_01

It's a great question, guys. I know for me it's alcohol. What kind of whiskey guy? Uh man, that's an excellent question. I uh I'm a firm believer in kind of what you were telling me, Patrick, is uh um and I know not every anyways, we can get into that later if we want, but yeah, I guess I guess just talking to people for me, it's my wife. It's my best friend. It's it's having these conversations and and having a partner who wants to listen, who who cares to listen, right? That's that's that's all I could ask for.

SPEAKER_06

Um does your does your spouse have uh military or first responded? She does not. Okay. Is it important to tell a spouse the hard calls or not? How far do you dive into it? How you know how do you shelter them or do you just unload, you know?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's a great question, man. I know I know for me, uh everyone's gonna be different. Uh I I tell her everything. I do. And she's willing to listen. And and though she's not necessarily always giving me uh pointers. Or tips and how to how to process this, but she's just a listening ear.

SPEAKER_06

And sometimes that's all you need, but that's all you need.

SPEAKER_01

And uh so that's a tough one, man. That's a real tough one. But I I think definitely talking to someone, someone that you love and trust is probably the the best.

SPEAKER_02

Is there anything you've seen a police officer do that you know isn't the right way to handle it?

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, those those episodes don't usually go out. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, those don't typically go out. Um we of course want to put the first responders on the good light. That's that's our thing. In fact, everything that we film, and and I can honestly say that I would say nine times out of ten, deputies are doing what they're exactly what exactly what they're supposed to be doing. Uh they don't they don't make mistakes. Um so that's been the cool part. Um there are there have been some things where I'm just like uh I don't know if this is gonna look good. Because being on being on the side I'm on, I already know what the comments are gonna look like. People are either gonna be shitting on this guy or or they're gonna be super positive. Been doing this long enough to know what what the comments are gonna be, right? So um, yes, there have been there have been some guys that I'm just like, yeah, we can't put this out.

SPEAKER_06

But you have a whole like day of recording, you're like, yeah, we didn't get shit. Pretty much, pretty much, dude.

SPEAKER_01

Pretty much pretty much. It is rare, it doesn't happen often, but it's good blooper reel. Yeah, yeah. But the cool thing is, and I think that's why we're getting so much um uh um traction traction right now, not even traction, so much uh agencies are now reaching out to us because everything that we put out there has to be approved by the SO. Has to be. So we'll we'll create this little episode, typically anywhere from 15 to 25 minutes. We send uh the the rough draft to to the SO to their PIO and they they take a look at it and uh get back to us within a couple days with uh with an approval not. And very rarely will they come back and say, hey, maybe take this part out. Um but yeah, that's that's important to us. In fact, we we take it a step further. We we send it to the deputy first that we rode with and say, hey dude, is there anything you don't like in this before we send to admin? That's awesome. Yeah, so uh yeah.

SPEAKER_06

And uh I wish we could do that with like axon, be like, right, let's review first and then upload.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, that's that's kind of how we do it. I think that's why we've found so much success. Um any new agency we ride with, we always send them an email and say, hey, here's a list of SOs we've written with. Um don't take my word for it, give them a call. Yep. Uh see what you're see what their experience was like working with us. And uh I hope it's all positive. I mean, I I I get emails from from agencies all the time saying, Kent, this this person sent us an email, watched an episode, and just congratulated uh the deputy on on whatever it was, right? And those those are feel-good moments for me to know that our our content is is making a difference.

SPEAKER_02

I was gonna ask, like, what do you think is the benefit to your what you do for the agency itself? Like having you on scene and doing what you do, what do you think is the benefit and how that reflects for the agency that's brought you on?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I I know uh on the PR side it's doing it's it's it's great for them. That's cool. Um Yeah, like I said, we're getting emails all the time, but but not even that. In the comments alone. Um I'm seeing things like Kent, thank you so much for for um highlighting Arizona law enforcement. Um you know, stuff like that all the time. I mean, I could show you guys tons of it, but uh yeah, it it's it's uh I think it's doing a really good job. PR, not just PR, recruitment. Um I I see a lot of people emailing agencies saying, Hey, I saw this episode, uh, would would love to try out with you guys, later roll over or whatever. Um that's cool. And then with the younger audience, um that that is kind of one of our main goals is to is to get the younger generation interested in in uh law enforcement. And and uh of course we can see the analytics of who's watching, you know, the different ages, but we have a lot of young people watching our stuff, which is great.

SPEAKER_04

So I think it's starting to be more desired again to be a cop. We went through a buffet level. Yes, yes. And I think and but I think to your point, with when you were a child watching cops, I think that also was a point in time where um that generation of kids was watching also and thinking like that's gonna be cool, you know.

SPEAKER_05

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So it it's been cool to to be on my end to see the impact that that our uh that our content is doing uh for for for everyone, you know, the the law enforcement side, but oh that's another thing. Uh I'm constantly hearing God, I feel like I'm just tooting my own horn here all the time. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_06

Well this is this is the Ken hour.

SPEAKER_01

Enjoy it. Uh no, I I I I hear from a lot of law enforcement that uh um our videos have also become the training for them. Because uh one of our one of the guys, Cooper Stubblefield, he is he has a he has it down to his signs, how to get someone out of the vehicle, right? Yeah, or just uh apprehend someone. People are constantly like, man, I love watching the episode, seeing how Cooper does it. And uh again, that's another cool moment. I didn't realize our episodes are gonna be training other law enforcement, you know. It's it's just really cool. It's really cool.

SPEAKER_02

Just by showing a guy in his day-to-day how he gets the job done and things he's learned. That is that is cool. Yeah, that is really neat. For sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, because I mean most of the videos that we've seen were all the cheesy stuff, and you're like corporate, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Or especially when you look back on them now and you're like, wow. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

So that's good. That's that's really I know I know you you were saying that you you didn't create the content to create these superstars and the and these individuals, but that's I mean, they're creating it on their own, right? They're they're doing the good work, you're capturing it.

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That's right.

SPEAKER_01

It is what it is. That's 100% accurate.

SPEAKER_06

So that's cool.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Guys, it's I use this term probably way too often, but it's the most fun you can have with your clothes on. I I absolutely love what I'm doing right now. Um, I'm just on cloud nine. It is a lot of work, I won't lie. Uh, especially we with YouTube, if you want to stay in within the the good graces of the YouTube gods, you gotta put an episode out every week. Or more if you can. I I just don't have the bandwidth for that or the financial uh bandwidth. But uh there's a lot of stress that goes with it. Uh definitely lost a lot of hair, definitely going a lot more gray. Um, but I'm like I said before, uh I'm doing exactly what I I feel like I was born to do. Um having a camera in my hand and hanging out with my friends who are fucking badasses. So that's cool. Oh yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_06

I wish I could say that. Oh, come on. I'm right here. Right. I take offense too. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding, I enjoy it. At least for the camera. Absolutely. No, that's cool. So uh is there any any episodes that would stand out to you of something that was like super hairy, like just close call, like you're like, holy shit, I can't believe I'm capturing this on camera. Because I'm sure you've had plenty of those moments, right? But what is something that really stood out for you that's gonna be?

SPEAKER_02

Give us the episode.

SPEAKER_01

The episode.

SPEAKER_02

Point people to your favorite work.

SPEAKER_01

Oh man, that's tough. There there have been some episodes where um this one always stands out in my mind. I don't know why. Um, but it was it was more of a had to film this a year and a half ago. It did not do well. I think it's sitting at like 22,000 views. Um awful. It could be less than that. Uh I I'm pretty sure it's less than that. But uh in Navajo County in in the Pine Top area, there was a uh it was a wild night, a lot of back-to-back calls, but um there was a house that went up in flames and uh two older people. Um the gentleman wasn't able to get his wife out in time, um, and she died in the fire. Um and it was just it was just complete madness. As soon as we arrived up on scene, fire was already there, but um the the flag the the house was already engulfed, like it there was it was already toast. Um and you it was incredible for me to see law enforcement working alongside with a fire trying to trying to battle this fire.

SPEAKER_02

You mean get you mean law enforcement getting in the way?

SPEAKER_01

It's probably more accurate. That's accurate. Um But yeah, it I don't know what it was about that episode. Uh it I guess in my mind it it showed, it portrayed a group of people come together to to to fight this thing. And I've seen it over and over and again, but this episode specifically just stands out. Um and and uh seeing all these people try to rescue this lady and all the effort that went into it, and of course she ended up losing her life. But um Yeah, and as soon as we arrived on scene, I mean we got really close to the flames, and there was vehicles that were also on fire and they were blowing up, and I was just like, oh shit, this is this is crazy, and we ended up backing up a little bit, but um fire. They were rushing around, they ended up giving the the deputy um running the and excuse my terminology, my my running the hose basically to the to the high uh fire hydrant and connecting it. Cooper didn't know what he was doing, he was just like, yeah, sure, I'll do it. And the the fireman actually ran up and helped do it as well, but it was just cool to see this team effort of people coming together and and and battling this thing. Um again, I don't know why that uh episode specifically stands out in my mind, but it's just one of those it was a very intense moment for me and everyone that was there. Um But there have been a lot of other things where, you know, DVs that have been de-escalated, uh you name it, man. Also a lot of, you know, we've been on other scenes where people lost their lives. Um always hectic, always very sad. Um but yeah, it's hard to it's hard to pinpoint a certain episode because for me it all kind of blends in. The recurring theme for me is is how these men and women come together and tackle these very intense situations. Whereas other people, the civilians, would just fold. They wouldn't know what to do. Yeah. Um it's weird.

SPEAKER_06

People don't realize the intensity that is felt in that moment. Yeah, you know. Like there's no training for it, it's just you f you either have it or you don't. Um like you were saying, the intensity of just the flames on that, like people don't realize how fucking hot that is. And you and you're running into it, first of all, and I I understand you have all this protective gear, but that's insane, like in itself.

SPEAKER_02

Well, over the years, like firefighters' productive gear has actually begun to work against us. So if you if you go back to the 70s, you know, we're losing a hundred firefighters a year. Today, with all of our advancements in technology and equipment, we're losing about a hundred firefighters a year. That's because our gear does such a good job of insulating us, we don't realize the danger we're in. Right? Like when you're wearing a leather, you know, overcoat, that just starts to get hot. It doesn't feel good to have on your skin, but these cozy turnouts we got now, you could be in a thousand degrees and maybe not realize it before it's too late. So you just gotta be because it's too comfortable, it's too comfortable, you know.

SPEAKER_06

Well, I mean, saying it's too comfortable in a thousand degrees can be a little bit more than a little bit.

SPEAKER_02

Dude, I'm telling you, the the heat the the best indicator we have nowadays is just that hood that we have because it's the thinnest piece of material you got. And when you're in a 500-degree environment, no big deal. When you're in a 700, no big deal, but you start to get a little bit hotter than that, you begin to get the blisters on your ears, and you start to feel the burns on your skin. And sometimes that's all you got before a flash over or something dangerous happens, you know. So they've almost started back off how good our gear gets, just because without some sort of indicator that we're in a dangerous environment, firefighters are stupid. We're gonna keep the back.

SPEAKER_03

Crazy.

SPEAKER_06

This explains a lot.

SPEAKER_02

Everything's gotta be firefighter-proof. You look at our trucks, everything's labeled, everything's color-coded.

SPEAKER_06

Wow. I I still cannot fathom that degree of what of just heat. Like that doesn't make sense to me. It just doesn't compute. You know, just st standing in that is just crazy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It can be hot. It can be real hot.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, and then I mean, like, I mean, I've been to a few fires, obviously, but like a trailer fire compared to a house, like the the stupid, all the insulation they have in those trailers, like it gets even hotter. Yeah, yeah, but it burns quicker, obviously. But yeah, the amount of heat. The in it's insanity. So yeah, I I feel for you guys. That's the only love I'm gonna give you. That's right, man. You can put your head in my lab later.

SPEAKER_02

Fires are predictable, which is what I like about them. An assailant with a gun is not predictable. Like that's wild to me.

SPEAKER_06

See, that's that's I would rather face it. Yeah, it's weird. So it makes sense. I I appreciate you coming out. Yeah, thanks for having me. We're gonna have to have you out a couple times more.

SPEAKER_01

I'd love that. I I will admit, I'm not as you guys can see, I I'm not uh I I past six months I've been on camera more because my team were like, dude, every YouTube channel, every successful YouTube channel has a face to the channel. So we're gonna need you to be on camera more. I'm like, fuck, dude. Last thing I want. So like I said, I enjoy being behind the camera.

SPEAKER_06

Well, it's funny because I how I recognized you was with a beard. And then you walk in, I was like, who the fuck is this guy? Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Man, you went back a a ways then.

SPEAKER_06

No. Like I guess, yeah. Like it's that's your pretty recent shit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_06

Maybe you're just not updating your stuff.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, no, you're right. Six months ago, it wasn't long, very long ago, but uh well it's 25% of your channel's history. Yeah, that's true. Um But yeah, I I I stumble on my words a lot. I'm not I'm not a public speaker by any means. I hate being on camera. I hate doing our intros and outros. I just uh we we now throw in the because it happens so often, we now throw in the bloopers because it's just it's comical of how shitty at talking I am. But um no, I I appreciate you guys uh allowing me to be here today and uh if if anything got out of my my mouth that made sense.

SPEAKER_06

I we like it. That's the thing, is that's the way we like doing it in person because it it feels more natural, right? Yeah, yeah. But um you're you're you're doing a service without really knowing knowing that you're doing a service, right? Being on this side of it, we can see how important it is for what you're doing. Um Thank you. And if you're getting the response that you are, it's because you're doing a good job at it. Um because I'll tell you that I mean, seeing your videos compared to other videos, you can have obviously see a quality difference.

SPEAKER_02

Um and a givea shit difference. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_06

But it I mean, I grew up watching cops too. I mean, mine were 80s, because I think I the glory days. Yeah, like real cops, you know, like they're still they're still walking around with like revolvers and but it it was it was definitely just a different, you know, idea of what you are seeing now. Like it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01

That's cool. So it's I'm happy to hear that. We definitely try to uh a lot of people uh at least in the very beginning, we used to tell SOs, hey, we're we're kind of like cops. Well, we've actually stopped saying that because we're not at all like cops. We found out very early on, especially with riding with sheriff's offices in the rural areas, you might go off full day and not get anything. But there's a lot of good interactions with the public. So we're like, fuck, why why aren't we putting this out? Where who cares about just the the crazy, you know, pursuits and all that stuff, running code, all this stuff. Why don't we put out the good interactions that people never see? Sure, is it as sexy as the crazy stuff? No, but it's important. It's important to show this stuff, you know. It shows that not all cops are out there to hem people up, you know. They're they're just out there doing their job and uh they're they can make people laugh. And why don't we show that stuff? So past year and a half, that's that's exactly what we've morphed into, more of the human side, the side that people don't get to see. I I I I already mentioned Cooper Sellfield, but he blew up like crazy because there was a lady that he pulled over in her apartment complex. Um she had two felony warrants, um but she had just got back from the the grocery store, had a car full of groceries, and uh she also had cats in her house. Cooper, out of the kindness of his heart, was like, hey, look, if you give me permission, I'll put all your groceries in your house for you, I'll feed your cats for you. Who the fuck does that? Where can you find online of a cop doing that? You can't. We captured that, um, and like I said, people just love that. That actually happens more than you know.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. It happens. Just the other night we transported a lady who passed out, had three seizures in front of her kids, and her mom was 20 minutes away, and the captain, the firefighter, stayed on scene at her house watching their kid playing with the toys while we transported mom to the hospital just so the kid could have something to watch and mom get the care she needed. And the kid wasn't at the hospital scared and confused it was going to the mom. So that kind of stuff happens all the time. Oh, that's great.

SPEAKER_06

I will say my favorite videos to watch are the are the idiots that won't roll that on their windows. Oh, yeah. Sovereign citizens.

SPEAKER_01

I know, I know, I love that too.

SPEAKER_06

We have had a it's like three minutes and you're fucked. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Unfortunately, we haven't had too many, uh, too many of those uh since the time I've been filming, but sovereign citizens are uh an interesting thing, that's for sure. Sweet. Nice dude.

SPEAKER_06

Cool, man. Well we'll yeah, we'll definitely have to have you out again. Get some updates on uh new agencies and new stuff and whatever else. I'd love that one.

SPEAKER_02

You have to come film me and Patrick together.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Well we may have to sign a waiver to come.

SPEAKER_06

It might be a little uh risque.

SPEAKER_02

We're gonna get the real nice.

SPEAKER_06

Then you then you're gonna have to start the uh the second responder.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I was gonna say call it only cops. Two RN? Only cops.

SPEAKER_06

Cops only I don't know. Is it OnlyFans or fans only? Only Only OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_02

Is it only like you don't know? Is it fans only?

SPEAKER_06

Stop embarrassing me. All right, well, we will see you on the next episode, and uh hopefully uh you guys enjoy that.