After The Call: Dr. Heather Dirkmaat with Natural Pediatrix

Some people choose medicine as a career.

Others are called to it.

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Heather Dirkmaat of Natural Pediatrix, and honestly, after this conversation, you'll understand why so many families trust her with the people they love most.

Dr. Heather shares her story, her heart, and the "why" behind the work she does. It's a beautiful reminder that great healthcare isn't just about knowledge. It's about compassion, curiosity, and truly caring for the person sitting in front of you.

And make no mistake... she's brilliant.

We joke that she's basically the real-life version of House. Her ability to connect dots, think differently, and solve complex problems is incredible to watch. The difference is she pairs that intelligence with a level of kindness and empathy that makes patients feel seen, heard, and cared for.

This conversation isn't just about medicine.

It's about purpose, serving others, and what happens when someone uses their gifts to make a difference in the lives of families every single day.

If you're a parent, healthcare provider, or simply someone who appreciates people who are deeply committed to their calling, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

🎙️ Listen now and meet the heart behind Natural Pediatrix.

Go Give Dr.Dirkmaat and her team a visit. They have a Scottsdale and Queen Creek Location. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to After the Call, the podcast dedicated to the stories and struggles behind the badge, the turnout gear, and the uniform. Each week we'll bring you a powerful conversation with first responders, mental health professionals, and advocates who are breaking the stigma, sharing their journeys, and offering real solutions. We'll talk about PTSD resilience, family impact, and the resources that can make a difference. Because the job doesn't just leave scars on the body, it affects the mind, the heart, and the people who serve alongside it. And no one should have to carry that burden along. This is After the Call, or you'll find strength through resilience.

SPEAKER_05 0:38

Alright, thank you for joining us on another episode of After the Call. I'm your host, Patrick. We have Josh Josh Tori. The cohort. And we have Dr. Heather.

SPEAKER_06 0:51

Cohort. Cohort?

SPEAKER_05 0:52

Cohort?

SPEAKER_03 0:54

I thought it was just the FOAS. Oh, Foast. The fake co-host.

SPEAKER_05 0:57

Yep. She's our technical person that does all the cool stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:01

And sometimes you let her have a microphone. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Sometimes just to insult you guys.

SPEAKER_05 1:07

Can I finish?

SPEAKER_03 1:07

Yes. All right.

SPEAKER_05 1:09

So I just have we have to give a quick shout out to Crisis Ready Nutrition. They are our sponsor today for this episode. So we're going to do that. So Chris from uh Crisis Ready Nutrition, uh, thanks for sponsoring this episode. Uh we appreciate all of your support and bringing me on as a brand ambassador.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

You didn't introduce Heather. I did. You did? You wouldn't be a brand ambassador. You gotta flex these changes. Oh.

SPEAKER_06 1:38

Give give give a quick flex if you really want to embrace that brand, you know? We could do for you.

SPEAKER_05 1:44

I'm not trying to tear the shirt right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:45

Oh, I get it. I understand.

SPEAKER_05 1:47

It's my budget. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:48

I wouldn't mind if you did tear that shirt, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

I have to go.

SPEAKER_05 1:53

Can we can we try to get back on track?

unknown 1:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:58

So today I'm actually excited to talk to you about this stuff because you have a really cool concept with natural pediatrics, but the alternative medicine that you're doing within your shop is really cool. Um I was excited to go into your shop and kind of see what you're doing within it. I know I'm not a kid, but I got to experience you know what you're doing for adults as well as gifts.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Correct, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

So we're gonna dive a little bit into it. Okay, talk about maybe the science behind some of this stuff so people can understand it, and then wherever you want to take it, we'll take it.

SPEAKER_04 2:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 2:36

So do you want to give a little background on your experience so people know like your level of doctorhood?

SPEAKER_02 2:44

Sure, sure. And your motivation.

SPEAKER_06 2:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:47

Okay, yeah, no, fair. So uh initially I was traditional Western medicine. I've always been in research, so even as an undergrad, I was always in someone's lab um on any research project I could get into because I thought, you know, I loved to I loved learning. If I could be a student my whole life, I absolutely would, because it's fascinating to learn things. And um, of course, I'm a mom, so I most of my schooling was done at night. Um that's just kind of how I did it. And then um I got two master's degrees, one from uh northern Colorado and one from Johns Hopkins. Um still Johns Hopkins was more again kind of research-based, learning about GMOs, learning about kind of I loved that school because it didn't tell me how to think. It like brought me both sides, and I got to really learn how to read research articles and think clearly and and critically of everything and question everything. So I really appreciated that that education. Um while I was going to school, I met this amazing person that was like a sister to me, my best friend. And um, she also wanted to go to MD because we were both doing the pre-med route, both moms, both trying to kill each other at night, you know. Um, and um she was a larger individual, and um she never kind of felt good in her skin. Um, she never felt attractive. She would she had been married before, but um she was in an abusive relationship. And so um we would she would bring her daughter over and we'd study OCAM, we'd study all the things, and she decided she wanted to get gastric bypass because she really, really wanted to finally, you know, she thought I'm gonna become a doctor. Um she'd gotten into Yukon medical school, and she thought this was my my new opportunity to like provide a better life for my family. Um, and uh she shouldn't have never gotten the surgery. Like um mentally, she wasn't there. I mean, she still was planning on eating the same things that she had eaten before. It was just kind of like this band-aid fix. Well, now everything's gonna be different that I'll be skinny. And so um part of the criteria in order to get the surgery is you can lose weight for the whole year, but you can't gain weight back. If you gain it weight back, then you can't have it. But during the last appointment, she had put on, I think it was at least 20 pounds, and so she was not supposed to get it. But of course, she cried and she was so upset, and so they let her have the surgery anyway. Well, um, she she got her blood pressure was super high upon um exiting the hospital, but they still let her out anyway. She was saying that it was white coat syndrome, she just wanted to get out of here, that's why she was so agitated. Her blood pressure really I mean, it was it was bad, and she is a black individual, so she's more prone to clots, she's more prone to a lot of different things, but they let her go. She was supposed to take time off for about a week to rest and recoup, but she's a single mom, and so she went back to work two days after. And uh she ended up passing away ten days later um from a blood clot. I was able to be with her during the last little bit of CPR. Um, I she was one of those vibrant people that I just expected her to come back and be like, ha ha, back, you know, like with this great story, like you can never get rid of me. It's always I kept anticipating that the entire time, and it it just didn't happen.

SPEAKER_05 5:56

Um That's not where I expected this conversation to be. I I know No, and I I think that's great because um obviously a lot of the stuff that we talk about is mental health and all the things that happen with suicide and losing people, and it's pretty rough, right? And I'm sorry for your loss.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

Well, I mean, uh the good that came out of this, obviously we lost a super good doctor and a best friend and a lot. But what I gained from that experience, I also adopted her daughter. So I got a little piece of her. I get a razor sometimes, and I'm like, damn you faded when she's bad. But um it taught me that medicine, the way that I was looking at medicine and the way that Western medicine was looking at people, was looking at people in parts, in pieces, and mental health was never considered in that equation, and that is not how I wanted to practice medicine. I wanted to look at and also like find out what's happening, not just like give someone a pill or something like that, get to the root cause of like, okay, so even when it came to her, like why weren't we looking at like, okay, what is her thyroid doing? What is all of these other pieces doing? I mean, something's off here. But so the bright side is that's that's my motivation for all of this is providing a better life for other people, something that my friend did not experience. And luckily now I'm actually finding like Hashimoto symptoms in eight-year-olds. I mean, I but I'm able to help prevent chronic disease in families. And you know, usually the whole family gets involved, and you know, then we have generational impact, which is what I love. So that's that's kind of where I'm coming from.

SPEAKER_05 7:38

I think it's great. Yeah. I think it's huge because I mean there's pills being thrown at people all the time, you know, like, hey, I have this symptom. Well, here try this. It's just like there's no research behind it, or there's no understanding what may have led to a certain something or other. I'm I'm not a medical professional. Um but you know, like it's just yeah, you go to a regular doctor 15 minutes, they're they're throwing a script at you, and out the door you go, and it may work and may not work, and then it may make things worse. Never know.

SPEAKER_03 8:11

Yeah, I don't think about the root cause. I feel like and I feel like as a first responder, like obviously chronic stress is like the worst thing for your body, and I think a lot of us um go in like, oh, I don't feel like you know, myself, and they're like, here's a script. So I think it's super important to know the root cause, which probably are chronic stress, but Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:30

Yeah, there's a lot of things. Um a couple questions. So you said GMO. What is that?

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Genetically modified foods and organisms. So uh I was studying the aqua bounty, the fish that they come genetically engineered with chum salmon to make them grow faster. Um, which was great because it would theoretically bring the price of salmon down and you wouldn't have, you know, it's it's a controlled tank, so you're not having the aluminum in some of the, you know, the where they harvest the fish. But um there is some kind concern considering that IgF one, which is a a growth factor, is increased in those salmon. So obviously it couldn't be used for like sushi or things like that, because then that IgF one doesn't get denatured with high heat. So individuals that are more prone like pregnancy and and cancer and things like that, they would never be able to have that. But then how do you regulate that? So there were a lot of stores like Whole Foods and places like that where that refused to purchase it. Ultimately, that company I don't think exists anymore. But I was looking at the kind of the cost benefits of being making omega-3s and making salmon and things like that more available to more populations, which is wonderful. I mean, because it's such a a high dense nutrient food for families. Um, but then again, like you're weighing like potential costs.

SPEAKER_05 9:49

So super important. I didn't I didn't start taking omega-threes until like two years ago.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

Super good for the brain. It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:58

Yeah, no. Um, and then did you when you went to the different schools? Obviously, you went to University of or Yeah, University of Colorado, yeah, and Johns Hopkins, like what was uh I guess like stress level and academic level, you know, compared to the two different schools?

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Oh yeah, I well so one was like a one-year condensed master's program at University of Northern Colorado, and that one was rough just because it it kind of mimicked medical school a little bit because you are taking like 12 classes and you only have basically like two semesters to do everything in. And it was no joke. Like it was it was good in terms of load requirement and trying to get as much information, but it still was more like memorization and knowing the facts, where Johns Hopkins was a lot of information, but it was, I mean, their exams weren't even close to anything I've ever taken before. It's it's no multiple choice, it's basically like fill-in-the-blank uh text box, but you literally have to pull and integrate every information that you have taken. So it's not like you can study the night before, like you really have to know it in order to use it. And so that was that was huge. I mean, the stress level was crazy high because I did have to know every single thing. You couldn't just you know lay back and passive study. You had to like get on it.

SPEAKER_06 11:16

Could you could you define Western medicine for the listener and like what you how you see western medicine versus the other modalities that you now also promote? Like what is your personal definition of Western medicine?

SPEAKER_02 11:32

I mean, Western medicine is is more like I would say more reactive medicine. Okay. Um so it's it's basically you go in and then then we'll give you something, but it doesn't look at like preventing most things. Like they it it does have checks in there. So you you're supposed to get blood work done at this age and this to rule out this and this, but it's not actively checking in with you to try to prevent, you know, and say, okay, well, this is a family history here, like let's and mostly they do that more towards when you get an as an older individual and they're like, hey, you know, have you done your colonoscopy? Have you gotten your mammogram and things like that? But they don't tend to be more proactive, where I would say this modality tends to be more proactive. We are most of my treatment plans for kids will be some type of diet-related and diet activity. And I mean, if we need to throw what I don't like too is sometimes with my profession, which I love, but we can also be green aliphass where we're doing the same thing, but we're just using a different supplement. So it's not a prescription, but it's a supplement. For me, I I lean heavy on the it is a work of medicine. Like you do have to change your lifestyle to prevent things and like be more active.

SPEAKER_06 12:43

This is where I would like you know, tend to defend Western medicine and like everything that it has done is like, you know, I don't I I blame a lot of what's going on with our medical on the individuals too and the choices you make day to day. And we know as well as anybody else, trying to get a first responder to do anything preventative for themselves. It'll never happen. So Western medicine for everything it's accomplished, I would say over the last hundred years, the criticisms of it is yeah, everyone only goes when they're broken, they demand perfection, and the other ones that don't aren't demanding perfection, they just they don't even want to do the work of a solution. They want the pill, they don't want to change their lifestyle.

SPEAKER_05 13:22

You need to be profound.

SPEAKER_06 13:23

You know, I I think we've earned the type of Western medicine that we've gotten as Americans. Does that make sense? I think most doctors, when you talk to them, they wish it could be better. Like they they want to be helping in different ways as well, but it's become morphed by lawyers and insurance companies and just the average American not taking their health and diet seriously until they have to, you know, if that makes sense in it.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Yeah, no, no, I d I totally get it. And you I mean, and and that's part of the problem, though, is yes, insurances get in the way and they tell you how long you can spend and what you can do, and so it does bind. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

I mean, so I mean that is definitely part of the problem because I do think then people do get trained on what to expect, and like, and then if they have no skin in the game and it's a free visit that they get every year, like what does it matter? Right. And you don't care if you like your doctor, you don't care. I mean, I hated bringing my kids to well child checks just because I'm gonna wait in that stupid, you know, waiting room forever. We get a few minutes with the doc, and like my kids hate it, it's just it's a dumpster fire.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

Right.

SPEAKER_02 14:25

And so I stopped taking my kids to well child checks too, because I'm like, they're perfectly healthy, and this is just a train wreck.

SPEAKER_05 14:32

So sorry, my radio show is called the dumpster fire. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Full circle. Sorry. Full circle. Two Wednesdays. I 100% agree with that. I mean, when my kids were younger, I hated going to the doctor. Because you sit in the room and your kid may be perfectly healthy, but every other kid there is like sniffling, got all these germs, and you're just like, get the fuck away from me. Yeah. Because I don't yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

Well, and that's the thing too, though, is the difference with me is uh you go into the room with me and I stay with you the entire visit. So it's not like I leave the room for 20 minutes and like you then your kids like opening up all the cabinets and you know throwing shit around. Because my kids were like losing it, and I'm trying to like just keep them active from tearing up the office while we wait for them to come back and give me some printout or some shot or something that I that they need that whatever. Um, and then the other the last the breaking point for me was last time I took them to a Western med doctor, um, they wanted to push the COVID vaccine on and I just had questions about it, and the doctor turned at me, turned around and walked out and would not even talk to me after that. And so then I was like, Okay, we're done here. If I can't even have a conversation and you tell me why this is necessary for my child, we have nothing to say here.

SPEAKER_05 15:46

And they knew you were a doctor? Huh? They knew you were a doctor. I wasn't doctor at that time. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

So yeah, it's been a hot minute.

SPEAKER_05 15:52

All right. Um, was there something that occurred that changed you from Western medicine to naturopathic? So there's a there's gotta be a point where you're just like, mm, I'm gonna switch.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

Yeah, so I think it had to be, even when I went into school, a naturopathic medical school, I was still very like I open-minded, critical though, of everything, no matter what it was, whether it was Eastern, Western, like I just thought, because you know, initially some of the courses were like, oh, you know, Western bad. And I'm thinking, like, oh no, the Western, not everything is bad, you know, like they've got good points, like you know, there's there's always good in every single thing, but there's not just one modality that will fit all, and you know, so I was kind of hypercritical a little bit where I was like, uh, you're kind of coming a little hard here. Um, but I I I'm trying to remember exactly when it was that I think it was an immunology course, and we started actually talking about vaccines and we started talking about the immune system, and then I really went down the rabbit hole and I was like, okay, you know, um, where this this is better, and I was trying to figure out how the body worked, and I was like, you know what, this is this is yeah, more like root cause sort of things where it's not just the body and dysfunction, they're all connected, so we can't just even though I'm learning the body in different parts, different systems, like that it is all connected, and this bleeds into this, and so yeah, I think that that's really what kind of sparked more of the naturopathic route.

SPEAKER_05 17:21

All right, so does well I guess no, I'm not gonna ask it. What? No, I'm not gonna ask it. We're good. Why? What? Oh, we're good.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

You have to ask it now. Yeah, now we have to know. No, seriously. Patrick, expose yourself. Wow. Okay, we got Kaylee here.

SPEAKER_05 17:41

We're trying to be professional. Um okay, so uh COVID happened, all all this stuff kind of changed for you. Yes. Uh when did you open your practice?

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Uh in 2024. So, yep.

SPEAKER_05 17:53

And what was your model when you set that up?

SPEAKER_02 17:56

So I had had um exposure at a uh another facility that was like mine, but not so much. Um I didn't like the way that they did things just because I felt like it was a money grab and not necessarily like doing what how I want to practice. So um I changed a little things, but the model was a good model. The model was, you know, uh treating kids, keeping them all in the same room, and um yeah. But they they didn't see adults. I wanted to also see adults too. So I needed people that were good. My jam is kids, like I know I I would say I'm pretty good at investigating children.

SPEAKER_06 18:36

So you primarily deal with kids?

SPEAKER_02 18:39

Me personally, I'm more of the kids doc. Like, if you've got really weird cases, I'm your gal. Like, because I'll find the zebras and usually I can figure things out. I'm not perfect, but like I have been able to solve some Mayo clinic, you know, PCH cases that they couldn't do. So a little flex for myself there. Um but the other docs are super good at kids and adults. Like, I don't like hormones. I'm not that's not my jam. But you know, you give me some weird rashes and some, you know, flu legs and tell us the story.

SPEAKER_06 19:09

What was one of your cases that was difficult to crack the case?

SPEAKER_03 19:12

Yeah, I want to hear like the male clinic, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

Flex. Okay. This one, this one I'm still working on. This is not complete because this was so crazy. But um, I first saw this child when I was at the other clinic, so it was like 2023, and he was coming in for incredible stomach pains, like would be doubled over in pain all the time. Kidney stems. Yeah, maybe the kidney stems narrow your week for the um, um. And uh so we did a food intolerance test, which is kind of standard to find out because there's a difference between food allergy and food intolerance, which people mostly don't know. Two different antibodies. One's histamine and one would be Well, yeah, they both have some histamine response, except one, so an allergy allergy is an IgE antibody versus an intolerance is an IgG. IgG is more circulating, they kind of persist for a while, where an IgE is that's quicked on, quicked off. Ig can last for 60 days. Um there's an accumulation too. I usually say like an intolerance is like deep water. Like you really sometimes don't even know that you're intolerant to something, it doesn't really show up. It's kind of deep down. So it can manifest as like personality changes, constipation, um, rashes, things like that. Um waste constipation. Yeah. Yeah. Right to come out.

SPEAKER_05 20:43

I got the cure. Anyway, don't intrigue. Double flex. I've just solved two medical mysteries. There we go.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Yeah, really, you're on this um ran it, came back, and of course it looked lit up like a Christmas tree. So he would had leaky gut syndrome.

SPEAKER_05 21:05

And so we kind of So this would be the IG, correct intolerance.

SPEAKER_02 21:08

He was intolerant to basically everything. Uh almost everything he ate was giving him a stomach ache because his stomach integrity was just gone.

SPEAKER_05 21:16

So how did how does this poor kid even get nutrients? Because if he's literally leaking, how the hell is that?

SPEAKER_02 21:23

Right, exactly. He was exactly done. Um so we did like blood work and and um it came back he had he was had celiac. And so he wasn't absorbing things and his gut was shredded, and of course, also then he started s experiencing psychiatric symptoms um to where he would hallucinate. Um he was chasing a around people who couldn't sleep. I mean, he the family took him up to PCH like three different times and they would just give him some like anti seasors, some some pain and some like calming medicine to just I mean keep him out of crisis. But they basically gave him some dumb diagnosis of like we don't know what's happening. And I I was like, okay, well, because he's not absorbing, check all these vitamins, have them, why they were at PCH, because they can run all these labs, like run his, you know, B1, but run all these different things to see like maybe that's part of it. Cause they were just like, I don't know, he doesn't have any infections right now, so we're not really sure. And so they came back deflated. And so I ran a um an ASO like for pans pandas, and it didn't show up initially. And so we were like, okay, what what else could it be then? So we gave him high amounts of vitamins and we tried to do a lot of um probiotics because I wanted to rebuild his gut. So we're we're trying to do all the different things, and he's really his his diet was super narrow because I had to heal the gut. You have to remove everything that's offensive. He basically lived off of ten things, and he had these like cake farm shakes that he was eating, but it still wasn't getting better, and so then I found out too that one of those shakes had rosemary extract. And if you don't know, rosemary is a powerful antimicrobial, and so he he was so sensitive to even the littlest would kill everything that we had just built up with his microbiome.

SPEAKER_06 23:09

See, that's that's the most fascinating thing is how much your microbiome affects almost everything, you know. Second brain. If you get me talking, these guys have all heard, like I don't believe in pretty well, like not at all. I feel like almost everything you're always doing is being pushed in some way by factors you can't control. Now you're you're coming in here, you're talking about a kid whose behavior is changing. The next decision or behavior he's gonna do is being massively influenced by his lack of bacteria in his gut. It's just it's mind-boggling. It's mind-boggling how much a proper diet and how.

SPEAKER_05 23:46

He drives a taxi cab.

SPEAKER_06 23:47

I do. I do.

SPEAKER_05 23:48

What? Oh ambulance? Yeah, the conspiracy theories. Are you kidding me? You've never seen the the people that no? Okay. No. No, I Josh has got good points sometimes, but sometimes he'll go off the road.

SPEAKER_03 24:05

I you know what? I'll put my tinfoil hat on with you. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 24:10

And that's the end of our show. No, I I that's crazy. Um it's it's crazy to think that these little ingredients that most people wouldn't even worry about is literally just killing this kid.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:25

Essentially.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Yeah. So I mean, we now he's doing better and we don't have any more of the psychiatric episodes, and now he's able to every time his gut gets re the his imp his uh behavior improves. He stops seeing people like it's I mean, it is. It it is his microbiome, neurotransmitters, like all of that stuff. So we're still working to heal because it's it's hard with celiac kids, but that's one of the things that I've noticed too, is there's they also have the propensity to uh develop strep infections and have a hard time fighting those strep infections. And so subsequently we did test and his titers were off the charts, so it was a pans pandas diagnosis. So we're working still on that, um, but greatly improved. So but yeah, it was like okay, I know I got this, you know. So, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't through a lack of trying. I mean, I I studied that case all the time. It's there's cases on my whiteboard in the back room that we go over all the time that are troubling, but we look at every single avenue because I mean you're right, like medicine is not perfection, right? And and sometimes they people do expect perfection. I had one person that got mad at me and they're like, Yeah, you misdiagnosed this rash. And I was like, okay, it changed over three days, but you know, I I'm still having you come in, we're still doing the work, but they were mad that it wasn't this instant perfect diagnosis.

SPEAKER_05 25:45

It was you.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

It was me.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

Victory, I know they don't allow me back now, but yeah, whatever. Fine.

SPEAKER_05 25:50

Do you saw the record? It was misdiagnosed. All right. Now it's wild. Pee you can't please everybody. True. I mean, I mean, whatever. Yeah, we had we had to deal with that a lot in the first responder world.

SPEAKER_06 26:09

Only a little bit. Only a little bit. Only slightly.

SPEAKER_05 26:12

Every person was like, uh, whatever. Um, okay, so now with so with the whiteboard, are you pulling like the the whole house like methodology where you're like Yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

No, we have flow charts. We like I like to refer myself as like the natural packet house, but then I'm like, is that too hard of a flex? You know, like I was like, but we we do do that. I mean that we there are cases that we just can't that we're just keep trying to crack, and usually by the end, we we're somewhere close. We're but there's usually huge amounts of improvement, but yeah, it's still not perfect. I wish it was.

SPEAKER_05 26:51

But what's the biggest type of cases that you're seeing right now?

SPEAKER_02 26:55

I mean, we always see constipation, eczema, our like ADHD, autism, those are kind of like our bread and butter. Um I don't know. It it's uh we see a lot more of kind of everything. Everything is is all about the way that we eat and the way our food is processed. So I see so much inflammation in kiddos that shouldn't be there. And so that stresses me out. What can we eat? It's like every day. Yeah, but like I mean, you look back to what we used to eat, you know, as kids and it was whole foods. I mean, you come home and there was a starch and a protein and a vegetable, and now I mean it's survival. It it's hard to say because we're all surviving families. I mean, I'm not perfect. We eat out, like, you know, but we do our best, and so we try to make better choices as when we can, but it it's it's hard.

SPEAKER_05 27:47

I mean, even portion sizes have changed since I was a kid.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 27:54

I mean, I was pre like, you know, where people were like supersizing everything.

SPEAKER_06 27:58

Yeah, right. Well, and part of this comes under the bit like today you're in today's day and age, you're more likely to die from overeating than under eating for the first time in human history.

SPEAKER_04 28:09

Right.

SPEAKER_06 28:09

Right? You're more likely to die from old age than young age for the first time in human history. Like, all of this is coming on the back of like a lot of major improvements for humanity over the last two hundred years. But I completely agree that somewhere in the last fifty or so, it's gone awry, it's become more business and profit. It's been incentivized in the worst possible way. And those poor incentives have caused, frankly, a lack of true professionalism and really putting patients first before profit. Like that's the part. I I transport people all the time. We we once had an idea to try to show just how bad Western medicine insurance companies have gone by having an individual dial 911 on a California beach and then getting free transports in an ambulance across the nation and and ending in Stanton Island in California. Just taking an ambulance transport without giving you my name, just telling you my belly hurts, and then asking to go to a hospital. It's about an hour away, which is where most people will transport you about an hour away before they ask too many questions. And you can do that and just not pay a single dime, but just be transported to hospitals and then just walk out AMA, never seeing a doctor. Totally okay.

SPEAKER_05 29:29

I just don't have to give my name?

SPEAKER_06 29:30

Nope, don't give a name or nothing.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

You might get a little bit of fentanyl.

SPEAKER_06 29:37

I'm allergic to everything, but your heroes, a bunch of firemen for a little while.

SPEAKER_05 29:44

I'm so excited. Oh my god. That's amazing. That's crazy. So let's let's dive into your practice now. Yeah. So when I came in, um, first thing you uh you obviously you walk me around the the shop and stuff like that. Um but the thing that really intrigued me was your salt room. Yeah. And I thought it was pretty amazing, and it wasn't what I expected, even though both of you guys told me it's a salt room.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

But there was salt everywhere.

SPEAKER_05 30:11

Yeah, no, I walk in, I was like, oh wait, is this for real? Like, all right, yeah. So kind of talk about the methodology behind what that does, what you're doing with the circulating of the air and all that other stuff.

SPEAKER_02 30:24

Yeah, yeah. So um basically uh it came I I had this idea when I was um working at another practice where we were sending kids to the hospital for like nebulizer treatments and things like that. And I mean, trying to get a kid to sit still who doesn't feel very well, who has a fever, and trying to put a mask on their face or get them to breathe in, it's it's so difficult. And of course, when they're fighting it, then you know how much of the treatment is actually you know happening. So the whole idea was um using the salt room. So basically salt air, so it's basically you know, it's not saline, but it's salt air that they get to breathe in while they relax and play. So there's salt all over the floor, and I want their feet to touch it so that they can absorb some of it. And then it's the halo generator particle the salt, puts it in the air, so you're basically just breathing it in and relaxing. Even if you sit in there for like five or ten minutes, we we sat in there. You can just you can like um it opens up your your airways, and it also so water follows salt, so it's gonna thin any of that mucus that you have so that you can then go ahead and cough it up. Um, it's antimicrobial, so antiviral, like all of the good things. So um it just it it kills things, it you can breathe better, even for my asthmatics, it helps a lot to thin some of that mucus, and um it's usually a 20-minute session. But the beauty, what I love too, is this isn't a spa. This isn't somewhere, this is where your kids can, there's duplos in there, there's toys, they can throw it around, you know. Like you're not having to like hurdle and round up your kid. There's a bench, there's a seat for you to sit there and relax so that you can enjoy it. And your kids, you don't have to sit there and babysit them. You can just sit there and they're gonna play and have fun. And so it's like a play date where they get a treatment, you know, where they feel better. So you can go together. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 32:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:10

I I sat in there with my toes in this in the salt. Oh I did. I legit.

SPEAKER_03 32:14

Yeah, that's I think it's the coolest part of it.

SPEAKER_05 32:16

Yeah, I literally I felt like a little kid with my feet swinging like it was. You did? I did.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

Did you play with the toys too? Or no, they didn't give those toys.

SPEAKER_05 32:24

I was trying to be professional.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Oh, for sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

Second visit. Second visit. No, no, I'm trying to get it.

SPEAKER_06 32:30

It's a good thing you didn't have crans in there.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

He would have eaten them. He's like, I love the red one. I might drink my coffee.

SPEAKER_05 32:44

So what I mean, the other thing too. So going to this, even if you're healthy, going in there is still beneficial because you're you're still increasing your lung capacity. You're still getting rid of bacteria, germs, or whatever, because there's stuff on you that you don't even know about that your body may not be affected by, but it's good not to bring it home, do all the other stuff. So tons of good benefits.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 33:09

What are some of the short-term benefits that you can notice going into a salt room and what are some of the long-term benefits of regularly being well I can I think just kind of what he said in terms of like increasing lung capacity and I mean short-term benefits, sometimes one of the negatives is though your nose runs because like it does thin out stuff.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

But um usually, yeah, you can breathe deeper, and I I think it also helps you notice your breathing too in terms of long term of like, oh, I've just been kind of taking more shallow breaths, I need to maybe work on that. Um, but yeah, in terms of like immune system, it's super, super helpful for that very instance that it is it is helping kill things that you're not even aware of that you've been breathing in, or um help at least when it thins that mucus, then you can clear your throat and get some of that trash that's maybe been sitting there for quite a while.

SPEAKER_06 33:57

Arizona's air quality sucks.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

Yeah, it's not great.

SPEAKER_05 34:01

Delave.

SPEAKER_06 34:02

No, you're here.

SPEAKER_05 34:04

Yeah, nobody would cuddle with you. That's true. That would be weird. You want to get a vacation house? I don't know how that would work.

SPEAKER_06 34:11

What a long-term relationship? Like a long-distance relationship.

SPEAKER_05 34:14

We could we could taste time in the salt room.

SPEAKER_06 34:16

That's true. I mean, I have no problem with that. But then who's gonna lick the salt off your toys?

SPEAKER_01 34:22

That's there we go. Presents another problem. Problems.

SPEAKER_05 34:26

Problems, yeah. Real real world, real world problems.

SPEAKER_06 34:29

You can do it. You can do it. Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 34:34

All right. What else you got that's going on in the shop?

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Yeah, I mean, so I I guess my biggest thing for the practice is I'm parents' choice. So I am here to support the parents. You know your child best. Like I, as much as I love your kids and as often as I see them, I still don't know them, and you know them best. So when you say something's off, then I'm gonna believe you. And we're going, if you want a test run, let's run it. Like um, I hate because I know the feeling as a parent when your concerns are dismissed immediately, like, oh well, that just doesn't sound right. And it's like, well, this is how they were acting before, now they're not, so something is wrong. And so again, when it comes to like treatment plans, I'm gonna give you super crunchy all the way to Western medicine, and I'll support you either way. I'll give you the benefits of like, okay, this is this, you know, or this, but I'll give you more education behind it, and then you ultimately make the choice. So I that's something that I'm super proud of, and that also comes with vaccines too. So I I am I do carry vaccines. I don't carry all of them. I'm not a huge fan of the CDC schedule. I don't think it's great for the individual. It might be great for the herd, but not great for the individual, especially when we don't know methylation status, height, growth, weight, like what's going on with their immune system, uh, clearance levels, like there's a whole lot that goes into it. And so I make individual plans based on exposure and you know, travel plans and like family dynamics, all of those things, which, you know, I I don't know that that's normalized. And so uh so but I will see your kid if you want to do zero vaccines, all vaccines. I just again I won't carry all of them, so um, there's some that you'll have to go to the health department for or somewhere else.

SPEAKER_05 36:12

But choices are good.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

Yeah, exactly. So and then again, I carry the cleanest ones, um, and I'll talk to you about each one of them, why we give them, what for, and if if there's a good time to delay it, or you know, when would be the best time for this, and kind of just give you can ask me anything, and whatever I know I will tell you. But um, I like to have open dialogue with parents because that was one thing that was missing when I was taking my kiddos. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:38

So if if I can ask this, what what would you say is the must-have vaccines for the same question. Because there, I mean, when you look at that schedule now, like I don't even I don't even know what half that shit is. There's like 20 of them, yeah. And you're like I I don't even know. Like, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

Right. So any just disclaimer any any decision about vaccine should be made between you and your doctor. Um recommendations. Recommendations, correct. Um, so uh during the first year, there's only three that I typically think are important to have, and those are the ones that I see could put your kiddo in the hospital during the first year. So those are ones that I recommend. But again, like you know, we can go over. So HIB is against hemophilus influenza, which is a bacteria. It's a rough bacteria, it really is. And your kid can get it and they can get over it, but it might take about three weeks. Um, it can cause neonatal meningitis, and that's why it was given early on. Um, usually that shot is pretty, pretty clean, so there's not a ton of risk with that one. Um, but I I still like if we can, if we're not going to daycare, to delay vaccines until six months to make sure that gut, because the gut is your immune system. So I don't see the need in giving a newborn anything yet. Like, let's let's get everything going first before we start messing with the kid. That next one is the um pneumococcal vaccine. So that's against 20 different species of pneumococcal bacteria. It's everywhere. It's ubiquitous. Your kiddo is a hundred percent going to get it. And even if you get the vaccine, I'm still gonna get it on swabs when you're sick. So, like but it's one of the things that when I started seeing RSV or I started seeing like kids that needed to go to the hospital, when I swabbed them, it wasn't because they had one or two things, it's because they had like four or five. They had like three bacteria and two viruses, and it just overwhelmed their immune system.

SPEAKER_04 38:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

So the reason why I liked that one is because it took off some of the bacteria off of that so that they could fight these other things easier. So I like that one does contain a little bit of aluminum. And then the DTAP I like for the pertussis aspect. Um, that one, again, it's a rough bacteria borderella. Um, but your kid can get over it too. I mean, many kids do. Again, it'll take a couple of weeks, and sometimes they have a pretty nasty cough. It's rough, but you know, we do have other treatment options. Um but I like to get that one on board. And um the lifespan of that one is usually like 10 years, so uh, you know, we we can play around with doses and how many times and things, but I only I only recommend getting, and this is me personally, so this is just my office. We we only give one vaccine at a time and usually six weeks apart, just because if I'm gonna give one, I want to make sure that we're building antibodies to it. Sure. And that's kind of one of my biggest critiques of the CDC schedule, too, is you're giving a kid seven different vaccines at once and asking them to make antibodies to it, and then two months later asking them, you know, and that's why they keep boosting and boosting and boosting, because they don't know if you've made antibodies, so we're just gonna just go ahead and keep boosting and boosting.

SPEAKER_05 39:41

So I just don't see I don't even want to talk about boosters. Because I got a a dummy friend. So no, you don't know. But we'll we'll just no no no, he's he's a real person. So he he was one of these guys where during COVID him and I disagreed a lot, right? And he was a medic and he thought he knew everything, and I'm like, this doesn't make sense. Like you can't go to believing this shit after you know five days of like testing. Like, there's no fucking way. There's no labs, there's nothing that gives you the substantial information to warrant what you're saying. So he was like, get all the vaccines. I think he did like five of the boosters, and every time you do the booster, you get sicker and sicker. I'm like, why are you doing this to yourself? Like it just does not make sense to me. It doesn't make any sense. If it's if it's not helping you, then why do it? So maybe you can explain that because I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

Uh yeah, I mean, so some some of the boosts I think are unnecessary.

SPEAKER_05 40:52

Is it is it literally just a pharmaceutical thing, like we're just doing it for money? And I don't want to put you in a weird position because obviously you have a professional. Right, right. So I don't want her to get murdered. Right, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Death threats. Um, I know, because even when I posted it of uh a uh mental health on measles, uh, because it was basically like, listen, because I had I had fam I had families call me and they're like, we're not leaving our house because of the measles outbreak. And I was like, nope, we're not going back to COVID times. Because I had kids who refused to take off their masks because they thought that they would die. Like that is the level of anxiety. And mental health is huge for me. So I'm like, we're not going back to that. And so I recorded a video that was just like, hey, everybody, like they're really over, you know, this dramatizing this out outbreak. And it was like one person and didn't give any more information. And so I was just kind of trying to be lighthearted, like you can go outside. Like, of course, we're still going to be hygienic and things like that. Not saying that that prevented measles, but it's always good to do. And just like, but if your kid gets it, like we can we can get through this. This is not like, you know, because they were making it sound like a death sentence and scaring families, and that's I just didn't want to return back to that. So I got a lot of hate for that. So I might get hate for this, but it's fine. Um, the thing that I don't like about it is there is no cap on these mandated vaccines in terms of cost. Every year when I order vaccines, the price on it goes up, which I I like that to me is money. I mean, it takes like it costs like seven dollars to make, and the new McCockle shot that I buy is $315 per vaccine. So it's a lot.

SPEAKER_05 42:30

So I'm in the wrong business.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

I know, I I am too. Um but uh so I do think vaccines are helpful. I think that they can be very, very important. And I mean, like, I I still believe in the polio vaccine, even though it's less than I mean a chance that you'd get it. That one I can't fix. Like if if there was paralyzation, I can't fix that. Um most of the other ones we can, you know, you roll the die, you get sick. But uh so I I don't know who created this schedule, but it's a terrible schedule. It really is. It's just d the five doses, I don't know where they got that. So some of the research articles that they post on the CDC website, I look at some of the research and it's crap research. Yeah, he's getting cozy up in here. But like I I don't agree with some of the research studies that they've posted. Like, usually if I have a question, I actually will email a researcher outside of the US. Like I have a immunologist out of the Netherlands that I consult, especially about measles, because the last thing I want to do is spread misinformation. So, but I want to make sure, like, okay, in this study, you did this. Tell me more about your methods because I'm hypercritical of any research article. So I don't know how to say that. I I I don't know that this schedule I don't know. You know? Sorry, that's not a great idea.

SPEAKER_06 43:47

I think that's I think you just said the magical phrase though, is that you're skep like we're skeptical of all the research. Yeah. It's like there's like there's so much to understand like who paid for the research and what are their goals.

SPEAKER_03 43:58

The fact that you have to talk to somebody Outside of our country?

SPEAKER_06 44:01

I think what everybody wants is just to be able to trust the information they're getting again, right? Like in some way. Like in the nineties and the early two thousands, when you would get something from some source, you more or less felt like you could trust it. And now we're at a a state where it's like I just don't know what.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Sure. But I mean and I NIH funding too is you have to fund what you know, they will only fund what they want to fund. They're not going to like fund, you know, if it's controversial or something like that. They're not going to give you money for that. So then how are you supposed to study? You know, if you put I want to study adverse effects of this, they're not going to give you money for that. So that's why you have to actually go outside of the US to get studies that appear to be more non-biased. If that makes sense.

SPEAKER_06 44:47

No, that makes perfect sense. That's perfect sense. Does the growing antibiotic resistance scare you as much as it scares me?

SPEAKER_02 44:57

So not for me personally, because I don't use ever. If I'm gonna use antibiotics, I'm gonna use an herbal too. So herbals are great because they usually use more than one method of action. So I mean, I created a herpes formula actually. Um it's in clinical trials right now. But um because yeah, you need it because more more flexing.

SPEAKER_05 45:16

No, no, no, we didn't talk because I didn't herpes. I would love to go to the next level, no, no, no. She literally dropped his bomb on me when we were sitting in the salt room, and she's like, I did this research. I was like, what the fuck? I guess we're not.

SPEAKER_03 45:30

I don't have herpes.

SPEAKER_06 45:33

Red herbs is like, right now, I'm done.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

He knows them. After the tweet. But yeah, and so I mean, some of our herbs that that I found when we extract different uh the herb at different percentiles will have different effects. And so I've been able to see it on a firsthand level of extracellular and intracellular inhibiting viral replication. And that's the same way with some of our bacteria too. It's not just it's attacking the cell wall membrane, you know. It's we're able to hit it from multiple sides, so then I don't have any lingering bacteria that are gonna go ahead and become resistant. But I mean, I can't even use straight amoxicillin anymore for any of my kids, and I would never recommend just giving amoxicillin anyway. I see lots of kids who transfer over and it just doesn't work anymore. And it's only effective usually with gram-positive bacteria. And most of our infections aren't just straff and strep, which is gram-positive. It has a whole bunch of other ones. So I never just assume that it's all gram positive. I'm like, let's go broad spectrum. We're gonna add this and this and this to make sure that we got it all. And then, of course, you need probiotics because you just killed your gut. So we're gonna have to that's a missing step in a lot of these treatment plans that I get from other docs is no probiotics. So we're just gonna kill off and then we're gonna let opportunistic bacteria recolonize the gut. And then that's when you get the bloating and you get the you know inflammation in the gut.

SPEAKER_06 46:53

And red hot Cheetos, all of a sudden start eating that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:57

Diarrhea. So red hotetics.

SPEAKER_01 47:04

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 47:05

I'm still thinking about herpes. Just kidding. No, uh, because my when my son was born, he kept getting ear infections, and they were throwing antibiotics like crazy. And finally I was like, I gotta find an alternative to this. I went to chiropractor.

SPEAKER_02 47:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:24

It actually worked.

SPEAKER_02 47:25

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, sometimes it's a structural issue, and that's the thing, is and I love working with I mean that again, like even with my own medicine, one modality is not going to like solve everything. Like, I like to use homeopathy, I love herbals. I don't do physical medicine, but I have great relationships with gyros because structural integrity is huge. And you know, when things aren't matching up and a line, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:48

Because he had tubes twice.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

Yeah, yeah. But that's a mandate. We didn't know, we didn't know.

SPEAKER_05 47:53

Because everybody's like, well, you gotta do this, you gotta do that. I'm like, just fix my kid. Like you know, he's miserable. Right. Um, and then once I realized that, I was like, oh, there's other stuff. Yeah. It's kind of cool. Cool. So with the salt room. Yes. Um, what do you who do you recommend to go in there? Like, can first responders go in there? Because obviously we are first responder rooms.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

What? Yeah, I mean, anybody can go in there, especially um, I mean, it is for everybody. It's better when you're sick or not feeling your best because you can really tell the difference. But even if you want to go in there, especially after you've had a long day, it will help you breathe and relax and you can kind of let down.

SPEAKER_05 48:38

And people can just call and set up a appointment.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

I can go online. You can go online and book a salt room visit, or you can call.

SPEAKER_06 48:44

How big is it? How many people can sit in the middle of the room?

SPEAKER_03 48:50

I mean, no, it had the best. I mean, the more men, the merrier. It's we would you can fit more people in there, is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 48:59

Got this. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

No, I mean it's a little bit bigger than than this room. Um but it's, you know, it's it's comfortably, you know, four to six people is is what I recommend. Because usually, uh kiddos can come in.

SPEAKER_06 49:13

We should we should have recorded from in there. We should have recorded a podcast from in this homeroom. We could badass.

SPEAKER_05 49:19

We could make sugar cookies.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

Um do you know what that is? No, no, I don't. I don't either. I thought the beach literal cookies. I've been to the beach. Who hasn't been to the beach?

SPEAKER_05 49:30

You've never rolled in the sand? That's a sugar cookie.

SPEAKER_02 49:34

Oh, okay. Oh, I thought it was dirty. Like the way you guys talk, everything I'm like, I don't know. This might be. We're professionals. Oh, I forgot.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Um I deal with.

SPEAKER_06 49:44

My grandma called them snickerdoodles. Same thing. Rolling around the sand.

SPEAKER_03 49:49

I didn't roll in the sand because that made me.

SPEAKER_05 49:50

I don't think when I was with your grandma that we called them.

SPEAKER_01 49:55

Oh, there it is.

SPEAKER_05 49:58

Grab a snickerdoodle.

SPEAKER_06 50:04

Leave my grandmother alone.

SPEAKER_05 50:05

I apologize. So um so give us where we can find you, phone number, website, all that stuff. Because we're gonna add we're gonna add you to our website.

SPEAKER_01 50:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 50:18

Tori is actually.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

Very nice. I know a girl that has their logos.

SPEAKER_05 50:22

So all that stuff will be added so that people can schedule book times with you. Yeah. Um and then whatever information you want to add to it. So whether it's um your supplement, like if you have certain supplements that you recommend for health, immunity, that kind of stuff, you know, we can add all that stuff on there.

SPEAKER_02 50:40

Okay, perfect. Yeah. And um, so I've been thinking about the whole like first responders, veterans. So um, I think we talked about doing $50 off the new patient visit if you're a first responder or a veteran. And if you're already a patient and you didn't get that discount, we can apply that later on. So I was gonna do the the the hard thing is is like I try to make my my prices very reasonable for families. So I've never raised my prices, so they're pretty low for like just you have a new patient fee, and then after that it's just the standard fee. And I don't want to raise it, but I don't really want to discount it either just because it's it's so low. Um but I have I have started Faithful Fridays. So I know you and I had talked about that. So basically it's part of the other issue that I have is usually my medicine is only for people that can afford it. And most of the people that need it aren't people that can afford it, right? And so I don't want to leave the less fortunate in the dust. So if you have access once a week, we will open up every doctor in my clinic, we'll have a spot for Faithful Friday where it's fifty dollars. And that's a new patient, that's every visit, sick visit, follow-up, whatever it is, so that we can expand our care to those who cannot afford it.

SPEAKER_06 51:53

That's pretty cool. So that's really cool.

SPEAKER_05 51:59

No, I mean, and that's the thing is if you're going to a naturopath, you are spending a little bit more, but you're you're paying for the quality of service. You're not paying for time with you versus like, you know, you're just a number of are you though?

SPEAKER_06 52:13

Because look, as a family of four, I spend $330 a check, and we never go to the doctor. Same. So like I'm spending a lot of money with the money. That's really good. That's like government benefits. So let me know.

SPEAKER_05 52:27

Let me throw this at you. Sure. So when I was when I was retiring and I was at my like worst time, right, I was trying to figure out what was wrong with me. Right. I went to the regular doctor and they gave me SRIs, they gave me all kinds of just pills. I was like, this is not working. So then I went to a natural path and I was like, I can't sleep, I can't do this, I can't do whatever. And that's when we started breaking down the different hormones, aminos, like everything that you can think adrenals, like everything that you can think of, like we're gonna break down everything and work at it to fix what the problem is and not just throw a band-aid at it.

SPEAKER_06 53:05

Right.

SPEAKER_05 53:05

I understand that your kids and you may not be going to the doctor, but at some point you may have to.

SPEAKER_06 53:11

No, no, right.

SPEAKER_05 53:12

And you don't want to go to a 15-minute consultation. You wanna you want to be able to sit down? I just mean that and do stuff.

SPEAKER_06 53:18

There's a lot of money that people spend for Western medicine to not go to the doctor if you're a reasonably healthy person. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 53:26

Like I get nothing out of the $600, but then and then it covers other people's diabetes, we still have our being, you know.

SPEAKER_06 53:35

We end up covering diabetes for everybody else on the network, you know.

SPEAKER_05 53:39

But that's what insurance is, it's for incidentals. Sure. So I'm sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 53:44

It's the world's biggest scam to me. I agree.

unknown 53:46

I agree.

SPEAKER_05 53:46

Look, man. I'm gonna take away your cab. No more cabs. No more driving a cab.

SPEAKER_06 53:53

Look. I work on a boo-boo bus. It's basically a cab for well, that's true.

SPEAKER_05 54:02

That is true. But that's that's a totally different problem.

SPEAKER_04 54:09

Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 54:10

Yeah, so give a plug into your stuff.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

She just did.

SPEAKER_05 54:14

Do it again. No. No, two. Oh, like how to get a home. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

So if you go to naturalpediatrics.com, we have two locations. We've got a Scottsdale location, which is right behind the um hospital on Shea. And then um our main flagship is in Queen Creek off of Akateo, or not Aquateo, it's off of Ellsworth, and it's right near the Costco. So Ellsworth in Queen Creek. Yeah, so super easy to get to. We have some Saturday appointments available. We do have some after hours because we do also know that parents work and it's hard to get time off.

SPEAKER_05 54:47

So it's awesome. Cool, cool. Anything else you want to add to the craziness?

SPEAKER_02 54:55

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_05 54:57

All right. Well, I appreciate you coming out.

SPEAKER_02 54:59

Thanks for being on for putting up with them.

SPEAKER_05 55:02

I apologize for Patrick. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:05

It's just I'll give you that herpes recipe.

SPEAKER_05 55:09

My wife watches this, like she knows you. I yeah, she does. I don't have herpes.

SPEAKER_03 55:16

Well, for she's probably just like, you put me on the list for the medication. Hang out with your coffee all the time.

SPEAKER_05 55:25

If if I have herpes, it's because Josh. Straight up. That's the only reason I would have herpes. Thanks. For what?

SPEAKER_01 55:35

Herpes! Herpes, I'm gonna give it to you. Literally, you know.

SPEAKER_06 55:40

You have to be willing to go to the next level if you want to risk it.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 55:46

Oh my god.